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I be worried for Wisconsin - alyburns' (aka sideburns & alyjude) Hiding Place
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I be worried for Wisconsin
Supposedly, the Tea Party are rallying behind the Governor and planning to take to buses and bus in from all over the country to start their own protest and I fear things will go violent - and not against the TP. I fear for those who are simply trying to protect their rights - rights that Wisconsin is responsible for giving ALL of us. :(

And why is this happening? Politics - as usual. As Rachel Maddow just pointed out, of the top 10 'corporations' that offered the big bucks in the 2010 elections, 7 were Republican-leaning big money conservative groups and 3 were...private sector unions...all three of which voted, overall, Democratic.

Gosh, I wonder why the push to destroy the unions?

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andeincascade From: andeincascade Date: February 19th, 2011 02:25 am (UTC) (Link)
I worry about Wisconsin too. Police state next door: DO NOT WANT.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 19th, 2011 02:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Especially since it's spreading

to several other strong union states with Republican governors :(
mostcrazylady From: mostcrazylady Date: February 19th, 2011 03:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Well if there is any violence, it won't be started by the Tea Party members.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 01:25 am (UTC) (Link)

I hate to disagree,

(sorry) but I think it will (even if it doesn't appear to happen that way - and yes, me and Oliver Stone have a lot in common *g*).

To break this up, to take the focus off the facts and the so far peaceful protesting, then the protesters will need to be made to look bad - so, while many innocent TP folks are going to legitimately protest (although I don't know why or what), there will be those with another agenda.

But then again, as I said, I'm a suspicious so-and-so and may be related to Oliver *g*.

Maybe you can answer this: why should/would any tea party member feel the need to travel to another state to protest...let alone against what...exactly? I mean, it's been proven (via actually showing the records) that the state is NOT in the dire financial straits as stated by the Governor and further proven that his agenda is to break the unions (he refused their offer to aid in saving money), so why go to Wisconsin?

Yes, we know other teachers and other union-represented groups have traveled from their state to Wisconsin, but we KNOW why (they're being targeted in their own states and Wisconsin is the make it or break it state) but again, why the Tea Party?

Maybe you have information I don't?
mostcrazylady From: mostcrazylady Date: February 20th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: I hate to disagree,

Who's Oliver Stone and what does he have to do with this?
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 02:38 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: I hate to disagree,

Oliver Stone is a director who does 'conspiracy' movies. Like Kennedy, etc.
From: ma_aaaa Date: February 19th, 2011 05:13 am (UTC) (Link)
My daughter, 2 sisters, and 2 nieces are WI state employess. The protests have been peaceful so far. An interesting note is that the 3 state employee unions who backed the governor in the election are exempt from the collective bargaining part of the bill, which is really what everyone is protesting since it will do nothing to reduce the deficit. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out...there are at least 7 other states waiting to try to enact similiar legisation.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC) (Link)

yeah

that's what makes this whole thing such a crock and obviously NOT really about any kind of deficit fix - and it also makes me wonder why others can't see this. :(
roslynsmuse From: roslynsmuse Date: February 22nd, 2011 03:33 am (UTC) (Link)
There have already been emailed messages urging Tea Party Members to go as protesters. Once the cameras are on them, the planners urge them to take off top shirts and show Tea Shirts with slogans like "Hey, I'm Entitled" and other walker support indicators.

Imagine a country in which state troopers are called out to force elected representatives to return to the state house and pretend to legislate! They exercised their responsibilities not to show for the needed quorum just to showcase irresponsible rhetoric and illegal favoritism (collective bargaining ended for all groups except cops and firefighters etc.) The state troopers just withdrew their earlier support for walker saying they want all fellow state workers to be equally entitled to union privileges.

The right to unionize has never been withdrawn by individual states. In fact, one governor (?) claims the minimum wage laws are socialist and ought to be taken off the books. Like to know if he thinks anyone can live on five bucks an hour without costing taxpayers three times that in benefits.
roslynsmuse From: roslynsmuse Date: February 22nd, 2011 03:40 am (UTC) (Link)
There is open violence in the streets in many states with peaceful dissenters being stalked, harassed and victim to vandalism and assault. I'm a pesticide activist and my car is regularly sprayed with chemicals; things thrown at me from car windows etc. I am not safe but can 't obtain law enforcement aid without id's. There is a lot of fear now in the US and the violent rhetoric unleashed the consciences of those with few restraints. They now think they are on a blessed mission and a lot of it is funded through Koch industries, agribusiness etc. Jeremy Scahill wrote a book (nationally renowned journalist) on Blackwater security. They are a big client of Monsanto and stalk/harass activists. Greenpeace just filed a RICO suit against DOW chemical for such activity against them. Memos show DOW had a budget of about half a million annually for such surveillance of activists - ten years ago.

These are not peaceful times.
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