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Well, that's it. - alyburns' (aka sideburns & alyjude) Hiding Place
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Well, that's it.
Wisconsin was the state to watch tonight - and NBC has called the recall against Gov. Scott Walker - a win for Scott Walker, meaning the recall has FAILED.

Many people in the know have felt that this vote would tell us how things would go in November, and just how powerful the Supreme Court's ruling on Citizens United would prove to be for Democrats.

Now we know. Scott Walker out-spent the Democrats by MILLIONS (27 million, to be exact, and most of it out-of-state money from the same two millionaires). A state divided, exhausted, and reflective of America come November.

And tonight, Romney celebrates at a fundraiser at a ranch in Texas (that belongs to a multi-billionaire) in a room full of ... Hitler memorabilia and under paintings done by Hitler. Go figure.

Can you imagine if ANY Democrat did that???

Democrats will now try to downplay tonight's win by Walker, but in reality, it tells them that their chances in November are practically nil. I imagine Obama is thinking the same. 2012 just may be the end of the world as we know it. Maybe not as predicted by the Maya, but for liberals, progressives, for Civil Rights, Woman's Rights, Social programs and Education - yep, the end as we've known it.

Call me pessimistic or just realistic.

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caarianna From: caarianna Date: June 6th, 2012 03:24 am (UTC) (Link)
On the other hand, this result just may get every last person who didn't bother to vote up off their asses to make damned sure the same thing doesn't happen in November. The poor and ill, the working class and middle class all vastly outnumber the '1%' and yes, some in the south particularly traditionally identify themselves as Republicans and, frankly, racism will play it's own role. But I'm very much hoping that there is still hope. (I've just finished watching the Lord of the Rings -- took days -- so am awash with the message that even one small being can change the world, especially when helped by friends. Good old Aragorn never did give up hope and, in his belief, risked all to give Frodo and Sam the time they needed. I'm a great one for believing one must never give up hope because to do so is to surrender and then the bad guys really will win.)
starwatcher307 From: starwatcher307 Date: June 6th, 2012 06:00 am (UTC) (Link)
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What I'm very afraid of is that so many people still support Walker and his cohorts, believe the lies that the bad economy is too much money spent on what we know to be necessities -- education, police, firefighters, support for the poor, etc, etc, etc. Extend that to the many, many states that now have Repub governors and legislatures. I like to believe that people are disgusted enough with the antics of the Repubs that they'll return a BIG dem majority to all the state legislatures, and both houses of the Federal government. But I can't say I'm very hopeful.
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gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 01:49 am (UTC) (Link)

I have to agree

especially since, oddly enough, the exit polls in Wisconsin last night said that Obama would be their clear winner - and yet, in spite of all Scott Walker has done (some of it downright illegal) - they kept him. It's like this nation has become totally schizophrenic. So if by some miracle, Obama retains his Presidency, Americans will still saddle him with a Republican congress. The only question becomes: If Romney wins, will America give him a Democratic congress?

Oh, and one piece of *possible* good news: Walker may have won, but it appears right now that he lost his Republican congress. *fingers crossed*
alyburns From: alyburns Date: June 7th, 2012 01:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Ah, you give me hope

until I remember that Wisconsin had one of the largest turnouts ever for the recall. *sigh* Democrats worked hard to get people out to vote - unfortunately, they voted for Walker - who literally owned the airways thanks to the 27 million spent on his behalf. :(

Here in California, where smokers are the 2nd lowest in the US, and who, in March, had 68% in favor of the new $1 tax on cigarettes to fund cancer research etc. BUT since March, the big tobacco guys spent MILLIONS to flood the airways with their "No on...." and, as usual, instead of looking the the proposition up on their own, Californians took the ad at face value and in a total switch, voted the new tax down.

It was, to put it bluntly, shameful on our part and just proves that the few wealthy men and their corporations know Americans better than anyone else. They *know* we're stupid, lazy and will believe the first thing we see - especially when we're inundated by those ads.

November will be no different - and I say that now as a realist, not a pessimist. Americans are still waiting for Superman-forgetting that they ARE Superman.
ninja007 From: ninja007 Date: June 6th, 2012 06:02 am (UTC) (Link)
That dude in Texas...can you say white supremacist? WTH??

No sane man should ever be caught there! But, hey? It's Texas! The land-o-idiots!

I was so disappointed in Wisconsin tonight. Beyond words.
gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 01:51 am (UTC) (Link)

Romney seems to have no sense

of propriety and his staff appear to be worthless. I figure he's so certain the big money behind him is his safety net, that he needs to do NOTHING to win and can make mistakes right and left. *scratches head*

I still see his interview about the story that he took part in terrorizing a gay kid in school. He actually laughed during the entire time, even as he said he had no memory of it, but if it happened... I mean, how stupid is THAT?
ninja007 From: ninja007 Date: June 7th, 2012 09:22 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Romney seems to have no sense

Really, really, uncomprehendingly stupid! His wife is no smarter...
alyburns From: alyburns Date: June 7th, 2012 11:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Romney seems to have no sense

His wife is a puzzlement. When they did the 'dog in the crate' interview? She knows darn well that while the dog was undoubtedly happy to be going with them, he was NOT happy on the roof. It really bothers me that the news media, while constantly bringing up the story, DON'T "explain" it.

Dogs poop, sure. And big dogs poop big. But if that animal had truly felt "safe and happy" on that roof - truly "comfortable" - then each time he went, it would either have flown out or stayed put. But he wasn't happy or comfortable, hence - based on the "hilarious description" Romney chose to stupidly share with America - the diarrhea. Jeez, he just needs to own up to it and let it drop. Sometimes, I don't think he's real because no one could be as stupid as he is - and I say that not from a political platform - but from observation of how many years now of trying for the presidency?

He's like a Ken doll with foot-in-mouth disease.
ninja007 From: ninja007 Date: June 8th, 2012 03:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Romney seems to have no sense

I think of it like this...

Everyone he knows and associates with is as stupid as he is. Now, he's probably the smartest out of that lot. Still stupid, on a level most of us have never been.

This funny thing is no one tells him how stupid he behaves... Maybe the rich really are the ones who are inbred...
alyburns From: alyburns Date: June 9th, 2012 12:07 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Romney seems to have no sense

There you go, that must be it - inbreeding among the rich to nth degree. :(

And the one thing he should NEVER do is even remotely compare himself to his father, who truly DID work hard to become the man he did. If Romney were even half as good as his dad...ah, but alas, he's not.
cross_stitchery From: cross_stitchery Date: June 6th, 2012 06:58 am (UTC) (Link)
well, i'm hoping you're being pessimistic... i did see an article which suggested that people voted against the recall more on the principle that they don't think a recall should be used unless there is serious misconduct. ::crosses fingers:: i hope it's right, because sometimes it seems like America is being sucked into a black hole of religious bigotry and right-wing insanity.

i read Margaret Attwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" back in the 80's and it seemed a bit out there. not so much any more.
gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 01:56 am (UTC) (Link)

I thought the same thing

- that they were being 'honorable' - except that Walker HAS done things that were against their own constitution and there's an investigation against him even now. So they had the ammunition to make the recall legit. And it does seem if a person runs on one platform - and then goes against it completely - and is on the verge of destroying your state - yeah, I'd say that's serious misconduct (heck, just that one illegal vote he ran to disband the unions would be enough, right?).

You're right, though, recalls, like impeachment, should never be taken lightly nor be done for political reasons but for real transgressions that threaten the well-being of a state and/or the country.
snailbones From: snailbones Date: June 6th, 2012 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)


I'm crossing my fingers for the good guys... plus, I really do believe in America. You are an astonishing bunch of people. I think it'll come right in the end, even if it goes backwards for a while. You're just better than that. ♥

gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 01:56 am (UTC) (Link)

Here's hoping you're right

*fingers crossed*
fabrisse From: fabrisse Date: June 6th, 2012 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
There is a plus side in Wisconsin -- the Democrats retook the Senate on the other recall votes.
gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, has it been officially declared?

I heard as of even an hour ago it's still not been called but that it *did* appear that way. And you're right - that will be the silver lining and show (as cross_stitchery said) that they believed a recall was improper at this time, but that they could take away much of his power by changing congress.

My trouble is: Will the same thing happen if Obama is re-elected? Another Republican Congress? And if Romney wins?

One can only laugh at times. :)
From: jael_lyn01 Date: June 6th, 2012 04:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

Don't dispair

There are a lot of checks and balances in our system. Even when one party wins overwhelmingly, they don't always get a lot accomplished. For the big majorities the democrats had until 2010, along with the executive branch, they didn't actually produce much.

Even assuming worse case and the Republicans sweep the election, they'll fight among themselves just like the democrats did when they had the advantage. And if they do manage legislation, if it's too extreme, pushback is just two years away.

For me, the depressing thought is not which party, but that we're all going to have to accept as a new normal. We've frittered away our fortune in oversees adventures and fiscal irresponsibility. Unless we want to drive over the fiscal cliff like Greece, we're all going to have to live with less. It's going to shock people when we collectively understand what we can, and can't, afford anymore.

I feel so bad for my thirty-something kids. They deserved better from us than this.
gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 02:01 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Don't dispair

well said. We have blown it and deserve what we're getting - unfortunately, you're right and it's our kids who will inherit the fruit of our stupidity. Let us pray they LEARN from it.
From: ma_aaaa Date: June 6th, 2012 11:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
gmfor_moonridge From: gmfor_moonridge Date: June 7th, 2012 02:03 am (UTC) (Link)

OHGOD!

Thank you for the life-saving laugh!!! Kathy, you're a wonder!

My favorite line (other than the cheese one):

"Gov. Walker seemed philosophical about his legacy: “I’m not worried how history will remember me, because if I have my way there won’t be any history teachers.”
kenitra_canada From: kenitra_canada Date: June 7th, 2012 02:05 am (UTC) (Link)
That is priceless! I wonder how many people take him seriously? I'm going to bookmark it though as its great satire.

K
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