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If you spoke faster than David Hewlett you’d travel back in time: Michael Shanks
Words on The Mentalist last night
Yeah, sure, under the cut just in case....

I enjoyed the episode (after the first 5 minutes) more than any I can remember. I can't believe it, but I LOVED it without Lisbon, absolutely LOVED it. And loved it more with him working with Hightower instead! LOVED LOVED LOVED it. I LOVED her in this, I LOVED their chemistry and for the first time, I thought Jane might live when they end the show. Since last season, I've had the feeling that when they decide (or it's decided for them) to end its run, the showdown with Red John would end with Jane dead as well as RJ, with a final scene at the graveyard with all three of them (husband, wife and daughter) together again. But last night, I saw the possibility for a future for Patrick Jane - namely with Hightower and her two kids. I saw a chance at happiness for him.

There is clearly no chemistry between him and Lisbon and none in the future, which has left me feeling that Patrick Jane's end might be very sad for we viewers, but now...now I have hope.

But I'm guessing viewers need to write in and say the same! LOL!

Oh, and if you're wondering why I hated the first 5 minutes, it's because A) Jane seemed almost drunk, the way he got out of the car, etc. and B) the fact that he just smiled when Lisbon when sprawling into the river, then, clearly injured, fell again and yes, he just stood there and grinned again. I'm not sure what to think about Bruno Heller and how he could write a scene like that. We know
Patrick Jane is a haunted man, one looking for, but not expecting, redemption, while also looking for revenge on the man that murdered his family. He blames himself, we all know that. We've been given several 'tips' that he no longer even has a home. There have been dark moments when you thought, "This is a dead man walking". Now, with all of that, with knowing that Patrick blames himself for what happened to his family - is there anything that would tell us he'd stand there like a jerk while a friend is injured - because of him? NO.

The writers on this show need to get their shit together. Totally. They have what could be the most awesome show ever within their grasp, but keep blowing it.

Come on, Bruno, get your ass in gear and use your northern brain, okay?

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caarianna From: caarianna Date: February 19th, 2011 03:39 am (UTC) (Link)
I enjoyed this ep, too, much more than the vast majority of eps this season. Can we take that internal affairs investigator out and shoot him. He gives me the creeps so much and I find him so revolting that I turned the ep off last week rather than watch him. ::shudders:: They need to clean up that whole ridiculous story line.

There was chemistry between Jane and Hightower and the setup of her divorce and the cuteness of her kids opens great new possibilities, as you've noted. Personally, I've never much cared for Lisbon because she's so flat as a character or rather the character she's playing is too contained, too flat to be interesting.

It was nice to see the sparkle back in this show; it's been absent far too long this season.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 01:38 am (UTC) (Link)

Yeah, you nailed it with Lisbon

but then, I've seen the actress in a few other roles and was no more impressed by her ability to be anything but flat. :( Van Pelt has always been the female I admired on the show (until Hightower) and until the writers decided to screw with her character (thank GOD it was only temporarily) by making us believe she'd EVER jump into a motel bed with Riggs while ON DUTY and while investigating THAT ROOM!

Male writers really love to degrade their female characters - and the horrible thing is; they don't even realize they're doing it. They're still cavemen at heart and have the sensitivity of gnats.
vamysteryfan From: vamysteryfan Date: February 19th, 2011 04:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I enjoyed this ep more than I've enjoyed The Mentalist in quite a while. Hightower as a character has really grown on me. Watching her deal with Jane in the field was a hoot.

Second the motion for dumping the IA investigator. Trying to recruit VP to wear a wire was just stupid.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 01:41 am (UTC) (Link)

God, yes, dump that

STUPID IA guy. I mean, please, does anyone remember IA called in when the woman killed the other team and then died when being taken down to the cells? If only tv writers would stop being so lazy, we could have spectacular television.
sistermu From: sistermu Date: February 19th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree that Jane sometimes seems to be a dead man walking. I think because he has no thoughts beyond Red John's capture and/or death. He believes he will either be dead or in prison then.

Following your earlier recommendations, I started watching the Mentalist when the DVD's came out over here. And then I got my friend into it because jane is exactly the sort of character that she falls for. So, from both of us, THANK YOU!

Our take on Jane is : that he is not a man of strong ethics. He is mostly kind and pleasant to the people he likes and can be very kind to people he identifies with, e.g. children, people after righteous revenge. Outside of that, though, he doesn't seem to much mind manipulating or hurting people if it seems amusing to him or he thinks they deserve it. However, he also does not have any instinct for physical violence. He'll avoid it if he possibly can.

This lead us the conclusion that the final outcome with RJ can end in 5 possible ways for Jane.
1) He dies. Depressing ending, even if he is with his wife and daughter, which, since he doesn't believe in life after death and was a faux-psychic conman, seems a bit off, subverting the whole point of the series.
2) RJ is captured before Jane gets a chance at him and Jane then either has a breakdown, or tries to get at RJ anyway, or breaks him out of prison to have his chance to kill RJ, or starts carrying his vengeance more viciously and ruthlessly against other criminals. All messy and/or depressing.
3) Has his chance with RJ but RJ is killed, probably by Lisbon, before Jane has to make a decision, and then he either carries on where he is, or has a breakdown, or has to try to build a new life for himself. I would think this is the most likely ending to be chosen by the writers/producers.
4) He has a chance at RJ, tortures and kills him and then, having broken his internal barriers against physical violence and touched a truly dark place within, he becomes effectively a psychopath himself, harming and/or killing anyone that in his opinion deserves it. This is, for Red John, the perfect culmination of Red John's work because in his death he creates a continuance of himself, in the only person who could catch him and will thus be most likely to avoid detection. Dark and depressing as hell. I'm assuming they won't do this.
5) Jane gets his chance at RJ and does not take it. He rejects, or finds he is not capable of, torturing and killing him. Thus he becomes a slightly more ethical person, finally lets go of his wife and child and, being free of the desire for vengeance, is able to start moving on. This would be my favourite but I'm rather afraid it won't happen. And then RJ dies anyway, probably at Lisbon's hand.

I haven't seen enough of Hightower to say if he will rebuild his life with her but, sadly, I doubt it. Just, not the sort of set-up that seems to happen in shows. It would be nice, though.

Do you watch Bones? White Collar? We don't get Castle over here *curses*. I am watching Man from UNCLE on iTunes and searching out the slash, now I'm old enough to have a clue.
alyburns From: alyburns Date: February 20th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC) (Link)

White Collar is a BIG YES!

LOL! But Bones? No. Unfortunately, (don't throw stones) I never liked David B. and I'm afraid the actress, Emily Deschanel, while beautiful, simply can't act, imho. :( Which, as others have pointed out, may work for the role of such a repressed woman - but I think they matched the character to the actress's abilities! LOL!

And a BIG YES for Castle too.

Lord, Monday nights are terrible now, with three series, all beloved by me, vying for my attention. We have H50, Harry's Law and Castle all on opposite each other. :(


Fortunately, my cable company has My Primetime and both ABC and NBC contracted with them - but since CBS didn't, I watch H50 on Monday night, but then watch Castle and Harry's Law the next day on My Primetime. I just don't know how that plays into the ratings. I know networks are factoring in things like Hulu, folks watching episodes at their actual websites and My Primetime, but I don't know how much they weigh in when deciding whether to keep a show. I know the ratings say that H50 will get a 2nd season (but they haven't yet - just a full first season) and Nathan Fillion announced - was it last night or Thursday night? - on Letterman that Castle *has* been renewed, while according to "TV by the Numbers", Harry's Law is looking good for renewal!!! Go figure.

As for Patrick Jane's character - mmm, I'm not sure we see him *exactly* the same way *g*.

that he is not a man of strong ethics. He is mostly kind and pleasant to the people he likes and can be very kind to people he identifies with, e.g. children, people after righteous revenge....

I think he has strong ethics, they're just maybe his version of what should be ethical? *g* We've gotten glimpses into his past and we know from the beginning that he didn't like doing what his father wanted. Later, I think his family's death changed him completely, with regards to how he saw his life and what he'd done with it.

Now I think (when the writers are on point) a lot of what we see is supposed to be a front because he's very good at manipulation and he doesn't want anyone to see the real him, so he plays it light. Unfortunately, like this week, the writers screw that part of him up :(.

We both agree on how he acts with people he likes versus not, but for me, that's not a major component of his personality. He has a bit more freedom to show his dislike than, say, you or I - and he takes advantage of it - but I'm guessing many of us would because the people he dislikes are people we all dislike. They're the selfish, ignorant, the bullies & idiots, etc. And the people he likes - yeah, the same we would. He knows the good when he sees them and reacts accordingly. :) He really is exceptional at seeing into folks, seeing through the bullshit, etc. :)

Outside of that, though, he doesn't seem to much mind manipulating or hurting people if it seems amusing to him or he thinks they deserve it. However, he also does not have any instinct for physical violence. He'll avoid it if he possibly can.

Again, most of the time, I don't think the above is true, but rather that the writers have slipped up - and when they do and give us that kind of Patrick Jane, it grates like finger nails on a chalk board because everything about him now says that he *won't* hurt the people he loves or cares about or manipulate them just because it 'seems amusing'. Oh, he'll manipulate them to get what he wants when Red John is involved, but not for amusement - unless it's harmless or he does it to make a point, like showing Riggs and Pelt how they really felt, etc.

You're right about the violence - whether used himself or against him. For a guy who sometimes seems like a dead man walking, he sure avoids getting into hairy circumstances whenever he can - but then, he's on a mission and, dying while Red John is still out there? Not happening. *bg*

I think poor Jane is just too often at the mercy of bad writing, but when they stick to the real character, he's complicated, wonderful, amazing, weird, and off the wall! LOL!
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